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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And people shouldn&#039;t get so worked up about interviews.

They are not real life. Doing well in an interview is not the same as doing well in real life.

In real life, a good person will create novel algorithms and deal with software problems that need hours to days of thought. This sort of thing can&#039;t easily be captured in an interview.

And when people get worked up about Google interviews and jobs, I have two things to say:

a) Was Google a successful company before or after you joined or interviewed with them?

b) What does Senior Management think of you? Do they even know you exist or what work you do? If there is a downturn will they even think twice about firing you?

Quite frankly any bright software developer should be running their own company and not just a cog in a wheel of a company, which to an extent is just like an uncaring machine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And people shouldn&#8217;t get so worked up about interviews.</p>
<p>They are not real life. Doing well in an interview is not the same as doing well in real life.</p>
<p>In real life, a good person will create novel algorithms and deal with software problems that need hours to days of thought. This sort of thing can&#8217;t easily be captured in an interview.</p>
<p>And when people get worked up about Google interviews and jobs, I have two things to say:</p>
<p>a) Was Google a successful company before or after you joined or interviewed with them?</p>
<p>b) What does Senior Management think of you? Do they even know you exist or what work you do? If there is a downturn will they even think twice about firing you?</p>
<p>Quite frankly any bright software developer should be running their own company and not just a cog in a wheel of a company, which to an extent is just like an uncaring machine.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://benjismith.net/index.php/2006/06/07/interviewing-with-google/comment-page-1/#comment-95947</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google, like a number of other high-tech companies, uses a committee of at least ten people to make a hiring decision. Do you know how hard it is to get ten people to agree on anything? I suspect some of the difficulty of getting into Google isn&#039;t due to being of the right intellectual callibre, but due to the difficulty of getting lots of people to agree.

The Lake Wobegon Strategy seems just like a piece of PR nonsense. There will always be employees that feel threatened by a bright, well-rounded interview candidate. Companies to some extent are doomed to move towards mediocrity. I&#039;m quite sure when Google needed to hire hundreds to thousands of workers in a hurry, they didn&#039;t always pick the brightest one or two per Computer Science or Maths class. The initial Google employees were obviously bright. However once the main work has been done, Google doesn&#039;t need to recruit solely the best and the brightest. What about the dull, plodding work that every company needs done?

I suspect a very bright person will have more trouble getting hired that a mediocre person that threatens nobody.

I don&#039;t even think Google is currently doing that good a job now. They have been playing catch-up with fraud on their search and content networks for a good few years now and one university professor panned them for being slow to route out click fraud.

Google&#039;s interview process is too long and consumes too much time. Why should a bright person devote so much time to artificial situations? In a space of a few days, a clever person could add another feature to their software if he/she runs his/her own micro-ISV. It simply isn&#039;t worth it to waste so much time on an interview process.

My time is worth up to 600 USD a day as judged by the income of my micro-ISV. Is it really worth someone like me wasting days on an interview process? Just think of how much I can improve my micro-ISV in that time.

Why waste so much time asking technical questions? Maybe an hour or two is sufficient, but over ten hours? No. Nowadays a bright software developer will have so much of his/her software on the Internet for everybody to see it really is getting to be a pointless waste of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google, like a number of other high-tech companies, uses a committee of at least ten people to make a hiring decision. Do you know how hard it is to get ten people to agree on anything? I suspect some of the difficulty of getting into Google isn&#8217;t due to being of the right intellectual callibre, but due to the difficulty of getting lots of people to agree.</p>
<p>The Lake Wobegon Strategy seems just like a piece of PR nonsense. There will always be employees that feel threatened by a bright, well-rounded interview candidate. Companies to some extent are doomed to move towards mediocrity. I&#8217;m quite sure when Google needed to hire hundreds to thousands of workers in a hurry, they didn&#8217;t always pick the brightest one or two per Computer Science or Maths class. The initial Google employees were obviously bright. However once the main work has been done, Google doesn&#8217;t need to recruit solely the best and the brightest. What about the dull, plodding work that every company needs done?</p>
<p>I suspect a very bright person will have more trouble getting hired that a mediocre person that threatens nobody.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t even think Google is currently doing that good a job now. They have been playing catch-up with fraud on their search and content networks for a good few years now and one university professor panned them for being slow to route out click fraud.</p>
<p>Google&#8217;s interview process is too long and consumes too much time. Why should a bright person devote so much time to artificial situations? In a space of a few days, a clever person could add another feature to their software if he/she runs his/her own micro-ISV. It simply isn&#8217;t worth it to waste so much time on an interview process.</p>
<p>My time is worth up to 600 USD a day as judged by the income of my micro-ISV. Is it really worth someone like me wasting days on an interview process? Just think of how much I can improve my micro-ISV in that time.</p>
<p>Why waste so much time asking technical questions? Maybe an hour or two is sufficient, but over ten hours? No. Nowadays a bright software developer will have so much of his/her software on the Internet for everybody to see it really is getting to be a pointless waste of time.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon Noogler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon Noogler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 03:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got an offer from Google and I have notorious memory. So, I don&#039;t think you need to memorize or study anything. My feeling is that they want a person with strong theory background who can do algorithm, design/arch and implementation. One who is not a pain to work with. Well, all software companies look for these traits, but I feel that they put much more stress on theories than any other firm I interviewed with. For example, I mentioned that I don&#039;t have much Java experience except that I only did some compiler and simulator work in college. (I was a C# only person during the interview.) So he said, &quot;That&#039;s pretty cool! So how do you implement method overriding?&quot; So obviously it&#039;s not a prepackaged question that you can prepare for.

I really think not being offered a job for a specific company could be a good thing. I would probably never get hired by Goldman Sachs because I&#039;m just not what they are looking for. If I pretend to be what they want and get the job, I&#039;d be stressed out and miserable anyway. I remember the humiliation I felt when Citadel rejected me on first interview... just to find out what a well known notorious employer it is. I also remember a few years ago being rejected by Citi - the fixed income division - hey, didn&#039;t they just write off another 18 billions on mortgage backed securities the other day? Haha. Lucky me.

I agree startups are most rewarding. I&#039;d do it except that I don&#039;t want to work 18 hour days. How else can you afford a single family home in the Silicon Valley?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got an offer from Google and I have notorious memory. So, I don&#8217;t think you need to memorize or study anything. My feeling is that they want a person with strong theory background who can do algorithm, design/arch and implementation. One who is not a pain to work with. Well, all software companies look for these traits, but I feel that they put much more stress on theories than any other firm I interviewed with. For example, I mentioned that I don&#8217;t have much Java experience except that I only did some compiler and simulator work in college. (I was a C# only person during the interview.) So he said, &#8220;That&#8217;s pretty cool! So how do you implement method overriding?&#8221; So obviously it&#8217;s not a prepackaged question that you can prepare for.</p>
<p>I really think not being offered a job for a specific company could be a good thing. I would probably never get hired by Goldman Sachs because I&#8217;m just not what they are looking for. If I pretend to be what they want and get the job, I&#8217;d be stressed out and miserable anyway. I remember the humiliation I felt when Citadel rejected me on first interview&#8230; just to find out what a well known notorious employer it is. I also remember a few years ago being rejected by Citi &#8211; the fixed income division &#8211; hey, didn&#8217;t they just write off another 18 billions on mortgage backed securities the other day? Haha. Lucky me.</p>
<p>I agree startups are most rewarding. I&#8217;d do it except that I don&#8217;t want to work 18 hour days. How else can you afford a single family home in the Silicon Valley?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://benjismith.net/index.php/2006/06/07/interviewing-with-google/comment-page-1/#comment-49958</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 21:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This amazing site http://www.tekpool.com and its discussion forums http://www.tekpool.com/forums helped me get into Google in my 2nd attempt.  In addition to the kind of questions there, I also was asked a very high level design question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This amazing site <a href="http://www.tekpool.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tekpool.com</a> and its discussion forums <a href="http://www.tekpool.com/forums" rel="nofollow">http://www.tekpool.com/forums</a> helped me get into Google in my 2nd attempt.  In addition to the kind of questions there, I also was asked a very high level design question.</p>
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		<title>By: bocaratonmike</title>
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		<dc:creator>bocaratonmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a combination copywriter/designer with a proclivity towards humor.

I created this &quot;mock google resume&quot;......It&#039;s basically a satire on a google page
and I am the featured star of the search query...it&#039;s actually quite original and
almost everyone I have asked just loves it...


So I sent my resume to google about a year ago and I too got a phone interview..
but I think when I told her my GPA was only 2.5.......I sensed that it was the 
end of the interview.......

....After that I heard Nothing.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a combination copywriter/designer with a proclivity towards humor.</p>
<p>I created this &#8220;mock google resume&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;It&#8217;s basically a satire on a google page<br />
and I am the featured star of the search query&#8230;it&#8217;s actually quite original and<br />
almost everyone I have asked just loves it&#8230;</p>
<p>So I sent my resume to google about a year ago and I too got a phone interview..<br />
but I think when I told her my GPA was only 2.5&#8230;&#8230;.I sensed that it was the<br />
end of the interview&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;.After that I heard Nothing&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: KJL</title>
		<link>http://benjismith.net/index.php/2006/06/07/interviewing-with-google/comment-page-1/#comment-22114</link>
		<dc:creator>KJL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 07:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have heard that the questions asked in Google interviews depends on the logic and looks like puzzles. I have recently run across http://www.technical-interview.com which list some questions from Google interviews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have heard that the questions asked in Google interviews depends on the logic and looks like puzzles. I have recently run across <a href="http://www.technical-interview.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.technical-interview.com</a> which list some questions from Google interviews.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a fairly similar background to you and also had a similar experience with Google.  

Google acquired the company I worked for a few years ago and drove it into the ground.  I did however have a chance to interview in NYC with them.  It went well. 3 interviews in NYC in which I think the Googlers were surprised that I knew of memoization, big &quot;oh&quot; analysis of heapsort, etc.  I was flown out to Mountain View and endured 7.5 interviews; .5 for a lunch interview.  The weirdest part was during lunch my interviewer clearly faked choking.  I thought it strange that he didn&#039;t have a beverage so I of course asked if he was OK and offered mine.  Several people were sitting with us at the time and none of them did anything.  I didn&#039;t appreciate the mind games.  

Long story short, I didn&#039;t get the offer -- &quot;tough decision&quot; (yada yada yada).  Now I work for Yahoo! (from home even) as a software developer and could not be happier.  I&#039;m never leaving Yahoo!  They treat their employees like gold; everyone has a voice.  

You should consider us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a fairly similar background to you and also had a similar experience with Google.  </p>
<p>Google acquired the company I worked for a few years ago and drove it into the ground.  I did however have a chance to interview in NYC with them.  It went well. 3 interviews in NYC in which I think the Googlers were surprised that I knew of memoization, big &#8220;oh&#8221; analysis of heapsort, etc.  I was flown out to Mountain View and endured 7.5 interviews; .5 for a lunch interview.  The weirdest part was during lunch my interviewer clearly faked choking.  I thought it strange that he didn&#8217;t have a beverage so I of course asked if he was OK and offered mine.  Several people were sitting with us at the time and none of them did anything.  I didn&#8217;t appreciate the mind games.  </p>
<p>Long story short, I didn&#8217;t get the offer &#8212; &#8220;tough decision&#8221; (yada yada yada).  Now I work for Yahoo! (from home even) as a software developer and could not be happier.  I&#8217;m never leaving Yahoo!  They treat their employees like gold; everyone has a voice.  </p>
<p>You should consider us.</p>
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		<title>By: Kundolini</title>
		<link>http://benjismith.net/index.php/2006/06/07/interviewing-with-google/comment-page-1/#comment-2019</link>
		<dc:creator>Kundolini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 06:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe anyone who could go thru the google interview (say just the 5th one) is a genius and should never think of working with them because there are too many good companies where you&#039;ll be rewarded intellectually/monetorily and more. 

I am interested in what happens to google in next 5-7 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe anyone who could go thru the google interview (say just the 5th one) is a genius and should never think of working with them because there are too many good companies where you&#8217;ll be rewarded intellectually/monetorily and more. </p>
<p>I am interested in what happens to google in next 5-7 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Xoogle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xoogle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Joel on Software, in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.joelonsoftware.com/printerFriendly/articles/CollegeAdvice.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a very interesting article&lt;/a&gt; that I read just after I read this page.

&gt;turning down jobs at Google because you want your own office with a door</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Joel on Software, in <a href="http://www.joelonsoftware.com/printerFriendly/articles/CollegeAdvice.html" rel="nofollow">a very interesting article</a> that I read just after I read this page.</p>
<p>&gt;turning down jobs at Google because you want your own office with a door</p>
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		<title>By: Xoogle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xoogle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google has employed smart people, but not all of them can make the billions that two lucky guys did. At some point, the equilibrium of smartness of the people that can be hired and the amount that can be compensated for them will tip. (BTW, I disagree with low pay at Google. Maybe true for fresh starters, but cannot be for experienced people, who can easily do better in other companies).

If one were looking for money and had the smarts, they are better off creating their own startup, and be bought by a company, than be slaving for a Google or Microsoft, and not see a dime in share options or bonus payments etc etc.

Also, I hate Googles no private offices policy. Real hackers like peace when they are coding seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google has employed smart people, but not all of them can make the billions that two lucky guys did. At some point, the equilibrium of smartness of the people that can be hired and the amount that can be compensated for them will tip. (BTW, I disagree with low pay at Google. Maybe true for fresh starters, but cannot be for experienced people, who can easily do better in other companies).</p>
<p>If one were looking for money and had the smarts, they are better off creating their own startup, and be bought by a company, than be slaving for a Google or Microsoft, and not see a dime in share options or bonus payments etc etc.</p>
<p>Also, I hate Googles no private offices policy. Real hackers like peace when they are coding seriously.</p>
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