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	<title>Comments on: Idea #4: Project Artifact Management</title>
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		<title>By: Jakob</title>
		<link>http://benjismith.net/index.php/2006/06/13/biz-idea-04-project-artifact-management/comment-page-1/#comment-49156</link>
		<dc:creator>Jakob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 07:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is exactly what I expected to find out after reading the title Idea #4: Project Artifact Management. Thanks for informative article</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is exactly what I expected to find out after reading the title Idea #4: Project Artifact Management. Thanks for informative article</p>
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		<title>By: benji</title>
		<link>http://benjismith.net/index.php/2006/06/13/biz-idea-04-project-artifact-management/comment-page-1/#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator>benji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, actually, I&#039;ve heard of Documentum before. It sounds vaguely familiar, though I don&#039;t know much about the software.

Check this out, though:

http://software.emc.com/products/software_az/index.jsp

There are currently 83 different &quot;Documentum&quot; branded products in their catalogue. Personally, if I were shopping for a project artifact management system for a small business environment (i.e., fewer than 500 employees), I&#039;d be very turned off by the complexity of EMC&#039;s product offering.

As a known &lt;a href=&quot;http://benjismith.net/index.php/2005/09/30/hate-frameworks/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;framework-hater&lt;/a&gt;, my opinion is that under-architecture is almost always preferable to over-architecture. Simplicity nearly always trumps complexity. And the whole Documentum product landscape flies in the face of that preference.

I don&#039;t think I&#039;m the only one who feels that way. And I think I could leverage the complexity differential between my own software and the existing document management systems to sell more licenses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, actually, I&#8217;ve heard of Documentum before. It sounds vaguely familiar, though I don&#8217;t know much about the software.</p>
<p>Check this out, though:</p>
<p><a href="http://software.emc.com/products/software_az/index.jsp" rel="nofollow">http://software.emc.com/products/software_az/index.jsp</a></p>
<p>There are currently 83 different &#8220;Documentum&#8221; branded products in their catalogue. Personally, if I were shopping for a project artifact management system for a small business environment (i.e., fewer than 500 employees), I&#8217;d be very turned off by the complexity of EMC&#8217;s product offering.</p>
<p>As a known <a href="http://benjismith.net/index.php/2005/09/30/hate-frameworks/" rel="nofollow">framework-hater</a>, my opinion is that under-architecture is almost always preferable to over-architecture. Simplicity nearly always trumps complexity. And the whole Documentum product landscape flies in the face of that preference.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m the only one who feels that way. And I think I could leverage the complexity differential between my own software and the existing document management systems to sell more licenses.</p>
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		<title>By: ISV_wannbe</title>
		<link>http://benjismith.net/index.php/2006/06/13/biz-idea-04-project-artifact-management/comment-page-1/#comment-151</link>
		<dc:creator>ISV_wannbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, this idea sounds like document management cross bred with light weight work flow management. Both of these segments are crowded and some of the document management solutions do provide some sort of &#039;interaction&#039;  between users. So what would be the main selling point of this solution? Probably a carefully chosen feature set from documentation management and work flow, but then again how would it stand out from the crowd specially if the target market is not well defined? Or will targeting some niche(s) be a better choice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, this idea sounds like document management cross bred with light weight work flow management. Both of these segments are crowded and some of the document management solutions do provide some sort of &#8216;interaction&#8217;  between users. So what would be the main selling point of this solution? Probably a carefully chosen feature set from documentation management and work flow, but then again how would it stand out from the crowd specially if the target market is not well defined? Or will targeting some niche(s) be a better choice?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom H.</title>
		<link>http://benjismith.net/index.php/2006/06/13/biz-idea-04-project-artifact-management/comment-page-1/#comment-150</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, Documentum is what I&#039;ve always heard of being the big-ticket choice in this market. I&#039;d also expect to get competition from workflow software; even though that&#039;s more process-centric than document-centric, they end up doing a lot of document management.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, Documentum is what I&#8217;ve always heard of being the big-ticket choice in this market. I&#8217;d also expect to get competition from workflow software; even though that&#8217;s more process-centric than document-centric, they end up doing a lot of document management.</p>
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		<title>By: Zellyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zellyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try a search for &quot;extranet&quot; or &quot;extranet software&quot;.  That&#039;s what they called it at my old company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try a search for &#8220;extranet&#8221; or &#8220;extranet software&#8221;.  That&#8217;s what they called it at my old company.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://benjismith.net/index.php/2006/06/13/biz-idea-04-project-artifact-management/comment-page-1/#comment-148</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the idea.

The notion of project artifact is very compelling and you&#039;re absolutely correct in that this could be applied across a broad range of industries.  I don&#039;t think that you&#039;ll have too hard a job explaining what this is all about either - it&#039;s just about managing and tracking the &#039;things&#039; that are created as part of a project process.  

Where you could really add value is traceability through your meta-data layer.    Even on a small scale in my day-to-day job, finding project information that you just know was related to such and such an email or powerpoint can be a real chore and that&#039;s with the help of things like ISYS and Google Desktop. Some time back I worked on a research project looking at, you guessed it, artifact management for software engineering.  One of the most interesting things that dropped out of this was being able to create relationships between the artifacts.

The hard thing to balance is how generic your system will be.  If it needs to much end-user configuration then some companies may not be able to invest the time to set it up.  On the other hand, if it can&#039;t be tweaked to an organisations needs it will be deemed too inflexible.

Looking forward to tomorrows post :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea.</p>
<p>The notion of project artifact is very compelling and you&#8217;re absolutely correct in that this could be applied across a broad range of industries.  I don&#8217;t think that you&#8217;ll have too hard a job explaining what this is all about either &#8211; it&#8217;s just about managing and tracking the &#8216;things&#8217; that are created as part of a project process.  </p>
<p>Where you could really add value is traceability through your meta-data layer.    Even on a small scale in my day-to-day job, finding project information that you just know was related to such and such an email or powerpoint can be a real chore and that&#8217;s with the help of things like ISYS and Google Desktop. Some time back I worked on a research project looking at, you guessed it, artifact management for software engineering.  One of the most interesting things that dropped out of this was being able to create relationships between the artifacts.</p>
<p>The hard thing to balance is how generic your system will be.  If it needs to much end-user configuration then some companies may not be able to invest the time to set it up.  On the other hand, if it can&#8217;t be tweaked to an organisations needs it will be deemed too inflexible.</p>
<p>Looking forward to tomorrows post :-)</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds really neat.

The reason why there aren&#039;t any generic artifact management sw on the market might be because it is not easy at all to create this sort of thing generically! Or perhaps the creators of such sw did not have access to a broad range of clients, so they created sw tailored to whoever they were writing the application for.

This makes me wonder how Trump manages his projects. Does he have sw that allows him to dial into any of his ongoing projects and see their progress? Or does he have throngs of managers he talks to face to face? If I were in his position, I&#039;d love to have a bunch of webcams following the whole thing.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds really neat.</p>
<p>The reason why there aren&#8217;t any generic artifact management sw on the market might be because it is not easy at all to create this sort of thing generically! Or perhaps the creators of such sw did not have access to a broad range of clients, so they created sw tailored to whoever they were writing the application for.</p>
<p>This makes me wonder how Trump manages his projects. Does he have sw that allows him to dial into any of his ongoing projects and see their progress? Or does he have throngs of managers he talks to face to face? If I were in his position, I&#8217;d love to have a bunch of webcams following the whole thing.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Bryant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Bryant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an idea in search of an idea. Access control in these systems is a real pain especially with fluid membership, as companies and people in those companies constantly change. Users end up feeling that the system is standing in their way because someone hasn&#039;t given someone&#039;s temporary assistant the right access privileges... I&#039;m not saying you don&#039;t have some ideas about how to address this, it is just that this idea #4 is more the broad identification of a problem area than a specialized idea of how to deal with it. It is still very cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an idea in search of an idea. Access control in these systems is a real pain especially with fluid membership, as companies and people in those companies constantly change. Users end up feeling that the system is standing in their way because someone hasn&#8217;t given someone&#8217;s temporary assistant the right access privileges&#8230; I&#8217;m not saying you don&#8217;t have some ideas about how to address this, it is just that this idea #4 is more the broad identification of a problem area than a specialized idea of how to deal with it. It is still very cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Hebb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Hebb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My thoughts were like Francesc&#039;s. I used to work for a medical device manufacturer, and a FDA requirement is to keep a product history file.

We used eRoom, which was later purchased by Documentum, so it&#039;s probably the product that Francesc is referring to. You can check it out here: http://software.emc.com/microsites/eRoom/index.jsp. IIRC, the software was in the 6-figure range to support a company with ~200 engineers.

One downside is that the market has a lot of players, but the upside is that most are targeting big installations. If you start with a niche and target SMB&#039;s I think this would be a winner.

The other thing to consider is how you would advertise. The search engine space is very crowded for many of the key words associated with this type of product. It may be difficult to rise above the noise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thoughts were like Francesc&#8217;s. I used to work for a medical device manufacturer, and a FDA requirement is to keep a product history file.</p>
<p>We used eRoom, which was later purchased by Documentum, so it&#8217;s probably the product that Francesc is referring to. You can check it out here: <a href="http://software.emc.com/microsites/eRoom/index.jsp" rel="nofollow">http://software.emc.com/microsites/eRoom/index.jsp</a>. IIRC, the software was in the 6-figure range to support a company with ~200 engineers.</p>
<p>One downside is that the market has a lot of players, but the upside is that most are targeting big installations. If you start with a niche and target SMB&#8217;s I think this would be a winner.</p>
<p>The other thing to consider is how you would advertise. The search engine space is very crowded for many of the key words associated with this type of product. It may be difficult to rise above the noise.</p>
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		<title>By: Francesc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francesc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds good, I just want to point that this app is very related to the document handling. My wife works in a pharmaceutical company, its register departmens handles a lot of documents, versions and specifications that must be sended to the auhtorities. They work with a very well known software that covers exactly this niche, I don&#039;t remember the name, may be something as &quot;Documentum&quot; or similar ... I&#039;m sorry to not remember. 

(If you have the book &quot;Crossing the Chasm&quot; this company is shown as a sample of a very expensive product with very few clients, and that it used the pharmaceutical sector as a headbeach to span to other sectors a general applications, very similar to yours).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds good, I just want to point that this app is very related to the document handling. My wife works in a pharmaceutical company, its register departmens handles a lot of documents, versions and specifications that must be sended to the auhtorities. They work with a very well known software that covers exactly this niche, I don&#8217;t remember the name, may be something as &#8220;Documentum&#8221; or similar &#8230; I&#8217;m sorry to not remember. </p>
<p>(If you have the book &#8220;Crossing the Chasm&#8221; this company is shown as a sample of a very expensive product with very few clients, and that it used the pharmaceutical sector as a headbeach to span to other sectors a general applications, very similar to yours).</p>
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